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DVD DL Facts Revealed

Posted by Mehar Gill on July 3, 2008 
Filed Under: Downloads, Format War, HD DVD



We were at the DVD Forum site today and found DVD DL guidelines last updated in April of 2007, currently its the closest we will have to the truth.

After scanning through the guideline we found the following note worthy details:

  1. Existing DVD players cannot access the “DL” portion but they can access the rest of the disc dubbed the “Video Zone”
  2. Playback of the “Video Zone” should not exceed 10 minutes, possibly a informational segment similar to those HD DVD videos.
  3. Multi Angle/Multi Story(?) is not allowed
  4. The “Video Zone” shall not be protected with DRM
  5. The discs will be region free
  6. The DVD Forum refers to it has DVD CPRM (Content Protection for Recordable Media) Downloadable Video abbreviated DVD-DLV

Interesting stuff, the next big meeting for the DVD Forum will take place in August of 2008, DVD-DLV is on there topics lists. Rest assured, we will keep you informed!

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Comments

8 Responses to “DVD DL Facts Revealed”

  1. burndive on July 3rd, 2008 11:13 am

    What? Actual research into what a logo represents, in stead of self-serving wild speculation? (http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/07/01/dvd-download-dl-logo-sparks-wonder-over-toshibas-super-resoluti/)

    Un-heard-of! Thanks for tracking us down.

    It looks to me like another layer of copy-protection applied to a Dual-layer DVD-R, possibly for purchase from kiosks that let you buy any movie you want on DVD, without having to have anything in stock, just blank discs and a connection to a central server.

    It seems to be physically compatible with DVDs, but using a new DRM scheme, which seems kind of lame to me, because in order to create a market for these, they’re going to have to put out compatible players: that, or provide a PC-based player of some kind.

    Good luck competing with Blu-ray!

    It might work for porn, but other than that, I think this is a non-starter.

    Of course, I could be wrong about the whole concept.

  2. Mehar Gill on July 3rd, 2008 11:21 am

    Thanks for the compliment, we try to do our best, I guess.

    Only a single layer will be compatible with existing DVD players, the layer will tell you about what the disk is and how you can play it to the fullest extent. It would be interesting to know where PC drives could be made compatible with a firmware update.

    I think its safe to say that at this point it will be a HD video of some sort, since regular DVD’s already have the Digital Copy feature, rendering this useless if it is just a SD video.

    How exactly will this work for porn and not for regular movies?

  3. Lee Stewart on July 3rd, 2008 11:57 am

    It would have helped if you did some research BEFORE you posted the information you did.

    It too is at the DVD Forum’s webiste – in the scrolling links:

    http://www.dvdforum.org/images/CSS_Managed_Recording_Guideline20071001_final.pdf

  4. burndive on July 3rd, 2008 1:12 pm

    DVD’s DRM is laughably broken.

    There is already a standard for putting HD content on DVDs requiring a “compatible” red-laser player: it’s called 3xDVD, and it can hold about 85 minutes of 1080p content. Most movies are longer than that, though.

    They might possibly encode at 720p, but it seems like a lot of effort just to re-create a consumer proposition too similar to the failed HD DVD to succeed: “buy a new player, and you can play higher-quality DVDs!” The world (outside of China, possibly) only has room for one such standard: Blu-ray, and it’s not worth creating another one from the ground up.

    Therefore, I don’t think it’s necessarily HD content, unless the video is shorter than most films. If it’s SD content, then the only benefit of the format can be the “Download” aspect: I suspect that people will be able to buy any available DVD over the Internet and burn them to a regular DL DVD-R, either at a store kiosk or from their home computer, and be able to have a permanent physical copy of the movie.

    The main benefits are:
    (1) selection
    (2) privacy
    (3) instant gratification combined with permanent availability

    The consumer in the market for major movie releases is not short on selection, and has little need for privacy.

    Now, what kind of consumer is willing to buy a new player just to be able to do this? What kind of consumer could possibly be suffering from poor selection at the local DVD retailer, and be able to gain so much utility from the privacy and instant gratification of downloading in the privacy of his own home? Hmmm…

    That is why I think this will only succeed for porn.

  5. thomas p vinelli on July 3rd, 2008 1:43 pm

    this whole thing is getting way out of hand.technology is suppose to move forward ,not backwards.
    srdvd,now dvd dl.when will the dvd forum and toshbia give it up,and just make a good blu-ray players!
    and relize they can’t protect their dvd royalies forever

  6. Mehar Gill on July 3rd, 2008 1:49 pm

    This still doesn’t tell us how DVD DL will work, this just gives us some small insight into what it is. We still don’t know the specifications, advantages/disadvantages, etc.

    Technically this technology is moving forward, there taking existing tech and improving it, their not taking Blu Ray and turning it into DVD DL, there taking DVD and turning it into DVD DL.

    This isn’t so much them trying to protect their royalties since they will be making money of CH DVD in a few weeks.

    The DRM on this is obviously improved from old DVDs, all DRM has been broken, including BD+.

    burndive: I doubt many of those are plausible since they contradict what their guidelines specify.

  7. Dave Cowl on July 3rd, 2008 3:50 pm

    Kiosks might be cool for DLing TV content or music videos or something.

    Really though, like many things, I expect the content owners to overestimate the value of their content and this won’t really go far when it is too expensive and too inconvenient…

  8. PZAP on July 6th, 2008 8:53 am

    Studios and replication studios(Those that used to burn/replicate HD DVD) have not dropped their HD DVD pressing machinery. Two different companies that I have approached, have not sold or destroyed their machinery. My assumtion that CH DVD’s release will encourage NA Studios, to release imports on the CH DVD format. HD DVD, may truly not be dead from a certain point of view. CH DVD and HD DVD are very similar.Supposedly a CH DVD will play in a HD DVD player.

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